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#4: Overcoming Mind-Body Disconnection: Unlocking Flow with Cara Bradley

#4: Overcoming Mind-Body Disconnection: Unlocking Flow with Cara BradleyCara Bradley
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I speak with Cara Bradley, a mind-body teacher, consultant, and author, about the critical connection between the mind and body. We discuss how synchronising the mind and body leads to optimal experiences and human performance. Cara shares her personal journey, starting as a figure skater, and explains how she helps others access their natural state of aliveness. Together, we explore techniques to cultivate flow in everyday life and discuss how to maintain coherence for long-term well-being.

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Cara Bradley

Cara Bradley is a seasoned mind-body expert, author, and entrepreneur with over 30 years of experience in mindful movement, mental fitness, and flow science. She has worked with top athletes, executives, and major organisations to enhance performance and well-being. Cara is the founder of the Verge Yoga Center and author of "On The Verge: Wake Up, Show Up, and Shine". Recognised as one of the most powerful women in mindfulness, she frequently speaks and consults for global brands and media outlets.

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On the Verge: Wake Up, Show Up, and Shine by Cara Bradley, 2016 - https://www.carabradley.net/book/

User Illusion: Cutting Consciousness Down to Size by Tor Norretranders, 1999

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Flow, unleashed, unleashed, unleashed.

Cameron Norsworthy:
Do you know how to rise above your distracting thoughts and instead synchronise all aspects of your being on demand in order to be present you? Music. Welcome to flow unleashed. I'm Dr Cameron Norsworthy, scientist and high performance coach to multiple world champions. In this show, we unpack key insights on specific topics so that you are kept up to date with the latest science and practice of human performance.

In this pod, we will be talking about the mind-body connection, and how we can use this connection to help us feel better, be better and be better primed to find flow throughout the day. We know that when we are at the pinnacle of human performance, our normal disparate and disconnected parts of self start communicating more effectively, our cortico-muscular coherence, meaning the connection between our brain and our muscles, improves, allowing messaging to flow between the brain and central and peripheral nervous systems. The differing parts of our nervous system itself become more harmonious, even reward networks and cognitive networks within our brain become more coherent. In short, our mind and body syncs up and amps up. This mind-body connection is perhaps most noticeable in its absence when we allow this connection to become or feel disconnected. For example, I'm sure you have probably felt the mind racing away as the embodied endeavors to sleep, or perhaps you didn't notice a new cut on your body for a time because you were so lost in thought, whether it is being unaware of how cold Our hands are until we feel like we're close to frostbite, or being distracted by the brain when trying to physically play a musical instrument. This disconnection can have both short term consequences of performance decrement and mild stress or irritation, but can also have long term consequences, such as physical and mental health. Scientists have been studying the connection between the brain and non brain body for decades, and thanks to the work of entities such as the Center for Healthy Minds at the University of Wisconsin medicine, we know that when a person feels stress, the focus is usually on the sensations felt in the body, like sweaty palms, racing heart and shallow breathing, yet the reaction to stress in our bodies is separate from how we mentally experience the stress, and it turns out also the gap between the two has major implications for well being. The triggered stress itself that we feel is not the issue. If we train ourselves to not feel fragmented and do not override or ignore either our mental or physical reality, the deep adversities of life and the day to day stress that might otherwise distract and derail us can actually turn into good stress, even helpful stress for our well being. For example, researchers report that individuals whose subjective experience of stress align strongly with physiological changes in their body. I have strong stress, heart rate coherence tend to have higher psychological and physical well being, meaning that when our mind and body are synced up, we are more aligned. We are more capable of dealing with stress. We are more capable of embracing the stress rather than adding friction against it. His capability allows us to deal with all of life's stresses better and generally feel better about life. This internal connection of mind and body is important, not only for Optimal Living, but also because as we get older, we naturally start to lose this connectivity. In a study published in the journal emotion, for example, Aiki Saito used EMG and electrodermal activity to measure our mental and physiological responses. Saito and colleagues found that the coherence between valence ratings are what many scientists classify as the key. Felt emotional measure and behavioral responses, such as facial muscle response, arousal responses and finger temperature was weaker in older adults, whilst younger adult bodies reacted to strong emotional cues, older adults bodily responses were a lot less this study, like many others, point to the importance of actively working on our mind body connection, use it or lose it. One person who has chosen not to lose it and is continuously using it is our guest today, Kara Bradley. Kara is a mind body teacher, consultant and author. She's been named one of the 12 most powerful women in the mindfulness movement by mindful magazine. Kara has over three decades experience helping others to synchronize their mind and body, and she's here today to help you bridge yours. Welcome. Kara, how you doing

Cara Bradley:
great, Cameron, thanks for having me on

Cameron Norsworthy:
so. Kara, how did you get into this field?

Cara Bradley:
I experienced my first optimal experiences as a young figure skater. Back then, I was a competitive skater. I wasn't very good, so you wouldn't have heard about of who I was, but I was a regional skater, but I was really into it, and I would skate before school, sometimes early in the morning. Back then, as figure skaters, we needed to do something called figures, which is where figure skating came from, and we were given a patch of ice for ourselves and a what was called a scribe. A scribe was a really big compass, and you would get on this pristine patch of ice, and you would trace a figure eight as a template. And for an hour, you would then either trace that template, or you would step a foot ahead or behind and trace another template of figure eight. You're either going backwards or forwards on an outer edge or an inner edge. Sometimes you turn in between, and you were judged on it, and it was actually a competition to see who could do the best figures. Well, most of my friends absolutely hated figures. In fact, they don't even have figures in figure skating competition anymore. I loved it. I loved the feeling of being on the ice early morning this I remember the sounds of the crackling of the ice as my blade hit the ice, and just that whole sense of quiet in my body and in my mind. Of course, I didn't have these words to put to that experience back then, but looking at it now, it certainly did. It molded who I am, and because after that, I became a runner, a track runner, and I ran mid distance running. And again, it was sort of this time in your body and your breath in the environment that was really very soothing to me, yet also extremely exciting. So I've always been playing and practicing and studying in these physical, yet very mental disciplines of skating than it was running, and eventually ended up diving deep into yoga and meditation and so that that's my crooked path to where I am now.

Cameron Norsworthy:
So how do you help others bridge the mind body connection?

Cara Bradley:
I'm extraordinarily passionate about helping people drop into their own natural state of being. I wrote a whole book on that just how do we access what's already here, that natural state of aliveness, the natural state of enthusiasm, the NAS natural state of curiosity and even peace, and this sense of joy and it's always waiting For us, I believe, just underneath the conditions and patterns of our mind and body. So when we can get out of our way, whether that be on a run or by the beach or on a mountain, oftentimes we can find ourselves beyond our conditioned patterns. Then we experience those optimal states of flow. You can call it so many different things, and so I've really my whole life, I've been teaching or coaching or training people in some capacity to experience themselves beyond what I call the busy mind, but more importantly, to trust that. That they can access these states in a work environment or with their family or by themselves, that that we could actually train ourselves to find these states that they are just a moment or two away from a busyness or overwhelm, and so I've had so much fun over the course of my career, which seems like it's gone on forever at this point, but I've had so much fun playing with different mediums and different strategies, different techniques and ancient practices and using modern neuroscience. And it's just always evolving, like you said before, Karen, so I think this work is never ending for all of us. Absolutely.

Cameron Norsworthy:
It's a constant excitement every day to realize recalibrate and resynchronise. And part of being human, I think, takes us out of that synchronicity. And there will be people listening, going, I've heard about mind body stuff for forever, and some people who live in their head, more in our heads and our minds and our thinking and our logic, and we'll be questioning the power or the value of prioritizing the body and vice versa. More people that live in their body and more kinesthetic and more action related, often have success there, and may question, yes, I know mind body balance makes sense, but I'm just so used to doing what I do. And just to really simplify in a nutshell, so we can all get on the same page. How do you classify mind body, and do you see any other intelligence centers in the body?

Cara Bradley:
That's such a great question. That's a loaded question for sure. Yeah, and most of us are, we're just living like a brain on a stick, right? We walk through our days where stuck in our head with the To Do lists and the past experience and what do I need to do tomorrow, and I can't believe she said that and why didn't so and so call me back. And then, of course, we have media and social media and news feeds, and it's just this constant noise that is moving through through our head all the time. And so what happens is that we forget that there's this sensory being below the neck, so to speak, there's these fields, this the seeing and the smelling and the hearing and the and the feeling and all of our senses that are constantly Listening and recording and understanding, making sense of what's happening in our outer environment and our inner environment. So when we're stuck in our busy mind, we are not as in tune with what the rest of our body and senses are telling us and informing us there was an amazing book I read a couple years ago called the user illusion. And I think it's Norlander. I am sorry. I The name escapes me, but in the user illusion, and it's a hefty book, but the message that I one of the messages that I got from it, is very simple and clear, and that is that our conscious minds are really only processing anywhere from, some say, 16 bits of information to 50 bits of information. And so you don't really know, need to know what a bit of information is. Just, just think about these numbers. So, so 16 to 50 bits of information we can consciously understand or be aware of in any moment. Well, the rest of our body, our eyes alone, are processing 10 million bits of information per second. And then there's the skin and the sense of taste and our hearing, and so there is so much that's happening moment to moment that we're not able to be aware of. But I think that where we are able to start to trust that our body is incredibly intelligent and that we are sourcing this information and processing what's happening, both in our body and around us in interpersonally. When we could start to trust that this information is being processed yet we might not be conscious of it, then we stop perhaps living so much in our thinking mind, in just trying to figure life out, and that's what we're able to drop below the neck, so to speak, and to live in a way where we are tapping into our full intelligence. And I'm simplifying this for sure, but you know, the whole. Idea of synchronizing mind and body is really about trusting that our body speaks to us through the language of sensation and instinct and intuition, and our mind is speaking to us through thought. And then, of course, we have the whole emotional body. And so there's this huge painting that's being created in every moment of our lives, and when we can start to trust that the painting will inform us of what to do and what not to do, what to say and what not to say. Now we're talking about this synchronisation of intelligences, and it's really the way we experience flow, this optimal experience, where we feel like we are being informed in every moment through our body, mind,

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absolutely the you know, the mind being the mental processor, and the body being the body's intelligence centre that has loads of receptors that picks up a heck of a lot more information than our conscious lens, so to speak. And with that, we can make better decisions, and we can react and process things faster and be more holistically congruent in our actions moving forwards. And you know, there's so many things in what you said I'd love to pick up on, and I guess the first one is that level of you mentioned the word Trust. And what is trust? And how do we trust ourselves and we're so, you know, all human beings are the same in this way, and we're blessed with this amazing brain. We're blessed with this fantastic reflexive thinker, if you like, that you know, separates us from other animals, and you one of the most incredible tools that we've been gifted as as being born as a human being and but for most of us, you know that drives our 99.999% of our awakening experiences, and forget that it's just a tool that's Designed to think and be self reflective and to analyze and to assess situations, but isn't, although society affirms it, and scientists were taught through certain modes of education to foster it as much as possible, over and above everything else, we forget that actually, you know, our most fulfilling moments or our best performances come from this total output, if you like, from mind and body as one as anyone in who's sort of been in the zone or in flow, or reflect back and think about when they were totally engaged doing the best thing, their best performance that they ever had. It was a mind body experience. And

Cameron Norsworthy:
first, we often know that we are at our best when mind and body are working as one, but infrequently do people specifically focus on strengthening this connection, yet our ability to cohere and synchronize our mind and body is a skill. For example, a study published in the journal frontiers in psychology reported that elite athletes who practiced heart focused breathing techniques experienced significant improvements in performance, including enhanced athletic ability, better mental focus and reduced stress. Mind Body techniques have been used for centuries, not because they have targeted this coherence, but because the benefits of these practices are apparent and enjoyed time after time. In fact, when we take a look under the hood of many psychological techniques, emotional therapies and spiritual healing practices, they mostly utilize the mind body coherence to elicit healing and insight, art therapy, nature based counselling, hypnotherapy, laughter, yoga, life coaching, walking meditation, music therapy and many other relaxation and breathing techniques all assist individuals to slow down and synchronise mind and body, whether it's preparing for an elite performance childbirth or relieving the day to day tension, many standard practices all indirectly use An improvement for mind and body connection.

What tips or what have you learned over the years that sort of helps people to to make that jump of letting go of that conscious rhetoric that's normally used to having the grip of our experience?

Cara Bradley:
That's a really sweet question, because I think we all instinctively know how to do that. So when I work with people, whether they're athletes or executives, one of the first things I always talk about is getting to know flow. And I just use flow in a broad sense, so as an optimal experience where we feel and perform our best, and there, as you know, there to be a macro flow. Moment, which a lot of people will think of flow as being these mega moments of skydiving or jumping off a cliff or flying down a mountain on the skis. But there are so many sweet, micro flow moments throughout our day, where these moments that enrapture us, where we're fully immersed in the moment at hand where we feel like we could just float in this moment all day, effortlessly. And so one of the things I think is really important for us all to recognise is firstly that as children, we're so much more prone to just be in flow, or be in this body mind synchronisation when we're swinging on a swing, or whether we're playing with our dog, there are these moments that we think about when we think about our childhood, where we could remember certain smells or certain Scenes like it was yesterday, and it's because those moments are just so vividly burned into our senses. And so what I often encourage people to do is to think about moments right here, right now in your daily life as it is in this last month. Let's say when you felt most awake and alive, when you felt most alive, fully alive. And so oftentimes, I'll start with asking people, What does it feel like to be fully alive? What does it feel like in your mind, in your body, in your heart, in your throat. What does that feel like? And it's amazing Cameron, because the questions, no matter if I ask these, and I've asked these questions in senior living homes, I've had the privilege of working with seniors who come into the room with their walkers and talking to them about these optimal experiences and young children, and for most of us, it's universal, right? We feel happy, positive, confident, alive. We feel so energized and calm and peaceful and joyful and connected. I mean, I could go on and on, but we have some of the similar words. And then I'll ask the second question, which is, what makes you feel that way? What makes you feel awake and fully alive? And inevitably, it's always amazing, because 99% of the answers or activities or with people or doing things that don't cost any money, that are absolutely free and at our disposal. So it would be standing on a beach or being in the woods, or playing with my grandchild, or reading by myself, cooking, listening to music, making love. There are so many of these beautiful moments when we feel our most awakened a lot, and so just having and helping people to uncover that a little bit all of a sudden, now, something called an optimal experience doesn't seem so far fetched. It doesn't seem out of reach. It's like, Oh, wow. I'm feeling that maybe even daily, I'm having one of those moments full aliveness. And I think that once we can become familiar with how we are moving in and out of these more optimal states throughout the day, once we get to know flow, then we can start to learn actually, how to return to flow and how to train to live in flow more often on demand. It's a really, really important point that, you know, when you've initially started saying, you know, when do you feel most alive? I, you know, I started thinking, Oh, it's early today for my day. What's happened in my day today? And you know, immediately my mind went to playing with my two year old son, and I felt it completely alive and in the moment. And it was a magnificent two minutes that occurred before the practicalities of right? We got to shower and get up, and everything else kicked in. But ordinarily, those experiences would just move on, be forgotten and not associated with an optimal experience. And you know, often optimal experiences, so often associated with World Championship performances or life changing events or experiences that we may only have 10 of them in our lifetime or one, but actually it's those smaller, maybe milder, optimal experiences than life changing events, but still, those daily experiences that are really interesting. To me, certainly and can really radically change the quality of someone's life when we aim to encourage more of those in our lives, rather than those kind of, those peak life changing situations.

Cara Bradley:
Yeah, that's just beautifully said, that two minutes rolling around on the ground with a two year old, can really light you up internally, from a neurochemical standpoint, to just the pure joy, can light you up and really beat the thread throughout our lives. And I, and this is where my deep passion lies is I truly believe that we all deserve optimal experiences. It's our birthright to feel ecstatic joy, to feel deep peace and connection, to feel fully immersed in creativity or in a sport or some type of dance. We all deserve that. But what happens, as with anything with media and social media, especially and and with sports and people that are doing things at very high levels, is it starts to separate us and so the person living in the suburbs and tending to three children and working all day may think, sure, it's great for them to have these optimal experiences. They're in Maui, you know, I'm out in the suburbs and I need to commute in the morning. Yet what I want to share is, no, we get to experience optimal states. We all do. It's our birthright. It's just that, in many ways, we've been conditioned to not recognise them, just like you said, it just even two minutes when we can start to recognise Ah, yes, this is one of those sweet moments like for me, oftentimes it's sitting getting up early. I get up super early, and I have my whatever book I'm reading, or books I'm plowing through, and that first cup of coffee, and I'm by myself in my room with in my chair with my books. And it is just pure heaven for a half an hour, until I need to get myself going. So when we can start to recognise that these moments are available to us, even in packaged in ways that we would never even call optimal, now we can start to not only recognise that these moments are available, but we can start to plan for more optimal experiences throughout our day. For instance, I know I get up early so that I can have that half hour by myself. You may carve out the time at the end of the day so that you can sit down and read a book to your two year old knowing the joy and the peace, the connection it's going to bring you. And this is when we start to make our optimal state more of our default state in our more of our default way of living. That's really why I feel like I do the work that I do is to just help share that message.

Cameron Norsworthy:
You so how do we decipher between all the noise in our minds? How do we lay down the thinking brain so that we can listen to our intuition, our instincts, or other intelligent centers that we may feel are more connected to the body.

Cara Bradley:
First, I think most simply, I'll use the metaphor of the snow globe. I have this fantastic snow globe that I often travel with when I'm speaking, and throughout my talks or presentation, I'll hold the snow globe, and I'll explain it at first, why I'm holding the snow globe, and then after a while, I don't even need to explain it, I'll just shake it up and I'll hold my hand still as people watch the snow start to settle. And so, you know, back to the busy mind, when we are stuck in our head and we are thinking all the time as the.

I think that when we're talking about intuition, from my experience and what I've studied, is that when we can trust that this whole body mind is informing us through sometimes conscious, sometimes subconscious information, sensory information, little changes in temperature of the skin or heart rate. We become a more fluid being we can now, when we trust this, we can now walk into the room and trust that we're going to know what to do, where to sit, who to speak to, how to speak to somebody, when to not speak, how to act. And this is and this now we can put this into action in our creativity and how we work with others and how we serve others. So I hope that wasn't too long winded. It's a load of information. But again, coming back to our birthright. Birthright is our capacity to be able to move and think and speak from this whole body, mind experience, as opposed to just thought, you know

Cameron Norwsorthy:
And I think some of the challenges we've talked about, you know, certainly, when we reach that mind, body, holistic balance, interesting things start to happen, right? The intuition becomes louder, or the the experiences become richer, and so forth. And two things you've highlighted, one, it's a birthright to experience this free company, but yet most of us are either too busy or some of us don't feel like we're allowed to. There's a sort of a guilt scenario of being able to let ourselves shine, so to speak, the famous quote from Marianne Williamson of when we shine, we subconsciously give others the permission to do the same. And what's one really good short term preparationary tip that you can kind of apply and 30 seconds later, even if it's just focusing on breath and putting mind and body on the same place. And then also, what's sort of one, if we think about the over the span of the next 1020, years, how can we think about the long term and sustainably put things in motion that mind and body are collectively moving further together rather than traveling apart?

Cara Bradley:
Okay, well, I'll try to check. Firstly, I think asking ourselves the question throughout the day, where am I right now, or how am i right now? Right now? How can I be optimal? And that's going to change whether it's morning or evening, whether you're at work or you're on a soccer field or you're with your kids, how am I right now? And how could I be optimal? Optimal meaning our best state for this moment, our best state for what's happening and where I am and what I'm about to do or how I'm about to be right now. We don't even have to necessarily answer the question. I believe that asking the question allows us to kind of tune in. It's like doing this very quick inventory. How am I right now? Okay, I'm a little shaky. Okay, breath. So we have the capacity to shift our state and and our breathing, and just our breathing pattern is one of the quickest and easiest ways to do that. So our breath gives us access to our nervous system and the state of our nervous system. So just by balancing, breath can often help us to shift into a more coherent state of clarity and calm at the same time. So throughout the day, before a meeting, after a meeting, you could just ask, How am I or what am i right now? And what do I need to be optimal for? Sometimes you're going to need to be in silence for a minute or two. For some people, you may need to go do some jumping jacks to get your energy up. So it's going to shift. And that's why we call it slow, because moment to moment, it's going to be different. So waking up to this moment and recognizing that you do have the tools. We all have the tools to shift our state, even subtly, into a more optimal place to create, connect and to compete, even just simply checking in and tuning in with yourself all day long. So it's a practice of mindfulness, really, that. That's what it is paying attention to your state moment to moment. So that's the first, hopefully the first answer to your first and long term. Wow, long term. I think, as we continue to learn about our intelligent systems, and that it's not just in the head that we do have this extraordinary sensory brain. In our gut, that the vagus nerve is this highway of information that makes us just brighter more intelligent beings as we become more aware and as research continues to inform us of of our brilliant capacities, I hope that emotional intelligence, physical intelligence, Social intelligence, and even intelligence of our nervous system becomes more important in our everyday conversations and our schooling and our leadership training. So it's not just about how fast or how much we can produce, but actually how turned on and how alive can we be for each other in this world?

Cameron Norsworthy:
We feel most alive when our mind and body is connected together, moving and operating as one. Why? As Kara points out, we have better access to our other senses. With this in mind, focusing on sensing our moment to moment experience. In other words, experiencing the moment through our bodily senses, as opposed to our minds, can help us to come alive a recent area of great interest and an extension of the mind body connection has surrounded the idea of heart coherence, a physiological state, according to the HeartMath Institute, that can be described as a type of coherence that occurs when a body's system, our breathing, heart rhythms, brain rhythms and hormonal responses, are in sync with each other. In fact, numerous studies have shown that the heart coherence is an optimal psychological state associated with increased cognitive function, self regulatory capacity, emotional stability and resilience. Why? Because the heart and brain communicate through the autonomic nervous system, which controls most of our involuntary functions, such as breathing, digestion and heart rate. Importantly, the heart generates its own electrical field, which is 60 times greater in the amplitude than the electrical activity of the brain. Contrary to always seeing the mind as the intellectual kingpin of our internal systems, the heart signals can influence the brain, and of course, vice versa. The heart beats in rhythmic patterns. The changes in this patterning, specifically, the fluctuations between each beat is known as the heart rate variability, or HRV, as you might have heard specifically. HRV refers to the variation in time between successive heartbeats and is an indicator of the adaptability of the autonomic nervous system. This measure provides a window into the interplay between the heart and the brain and how in sync many of our internal systems really are. We know that focusing on this coherence helps our moment to moment experience, application and levels of satisfaction within every given moment. To highlight one study, for example, published in the journal emotion by the American Psychological Association, researchers found that people who are experienced in managing their bodily sensations displayed greater coherence a study titled coherence between emotional Experience and physiology. Does body awareness training have an impact? Studied three groups of people. First group was experienced Vipassana meditators who were experienced in their attention to visceral sensations. Then the next group experienced dancers who were experienced in their attention to somatic sensations, a bodily sensations, and a third control group, who had varied or no experienced in these domains. Results indicated that the meditators had the highest coherence levels, dancers having intermediary levels, and the control group having the lowest levels, highlighting the. Specialized training that promotes greater body awareness can increase our ability to be coherent on demand, specifically focusing on our heart space and finding greater coherence just within the rhythm of our breath and heartbeat can go a long way to bridging the mind body gap and how we respond, act, feel and perform. It can be the difference to turning a disconnected being into a connected and more powerful being. Time to flip the mind.

Cara Bradley:
My question to you would be, what makes you what person, place and activity, and you can give us several makes you come alive. What are those places, people or things that you do, daily, weekly, monthly, that make you come alive or feel most alive? Yeah, wow.

Cameron Norsworthy:
How long have we got that's

Cara Bradley:
great. Um,

Cameron Norsworthy:
that's so many things, from my kids to I surf a lot. I hit the mat and do yoga most days. I just after I've come out of the meditation, and I come back into the world around me, things feel lighter and brighter and and I feel more attuned. And sometimes cooking, I'd love to cook, and I can really come alive when I'm cooking. And but it's had been interesting, because over the years, it's the activities have very much changed. So when I was younger, it was more tennis and and games and and then my kind of sporting activities have changed, although not the most competent or talented musician. I love to listen to music and come alive with certain melodies, etc. And I guess what I'm becoming more and more tuned to is more. It's more about where I'm at rather than what I'm doing. And there's certainly activities that help me get there a lot faster. My challenges nowadays is to find it in whether I'm I can't do activities because of injuries or I don't have time, or have to prioritize the financial equation in my life, you know, which takes me to do more work than play and so forth, or is finding it in areas that I ordinarily wouldn't, which I actually find really interesting and challenging and fun in its own right, and even more so sometimes and activities I'm used To coming alive in, and that's been a real fun journey in sort of more recent years to look at it from that perspective, but a sort of sporting background. So most sports certainly helped me tap into to that kind of holistic, intuitive action. More Edward, for sure,

Cara Bradley:
wonderful. Yeah, and it does change. It's always changing, which is what keeps us awake and alert to even the smallest things that that may just bring us joy and challenge and excitement and enthusiasm. So to be on the hunt, always on the hunt.

Cameron Norsworthy:
Yeah, life is too short. Not too for sure, absolutely. Cara, thank you very much for your time. Thank you very much for joining us and thank you. Thank

Cara Bradley:
you so what you do,

Cameron Norsworthy:
flow unleashed. If you would like to find out more about Cara Bradley: and her amazing work, please see the show notes.

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